Comments on: Dissension within the ranks: NoMaas 5th starter debate, Part II http://nomaas.org/2010/02/dissension-within-the-ranks-nomaas-5th-starter-debate-part-ii/ If we had $200 million to burn, the Yankees would never lose a game. Wed, 08 Feb 2012 07:56:36 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.1 By: Last Night I Dreamed I Was Playing Centerfield in Yankee Stadium in My Underwear http://nomaas.org/2010/02/dissension-within-the-ranks-nomaas-5th-starter-debate-part-ii/comment-page-1/#comment-7017 Last Night I Dreamed I Was Playing Centerfield in Yankee Stadium in My Underwear Fri, 12 Feb 2010 16:07:37 +0000 http://nomaas.org/?p=1213#comment-7017 Joba would have better control if Posada glued a photo of Youkilis' head to his glove. Or, perhaps, to his shoe. Joba would have better control if Posada glued a photo of Youkilis’ head to his glove. Or, perhaps, to his shoe.

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]]> By: JoeThunder http://nomaas.org/2010/02/dissension-within-the-ranks-nomaas-5th-starter-debate-part-ii/comment-page-1/#comment-6760 JoeThunder Sat, 06 Feb 2010 14:31:53 +0000 http://nomaas.org/?p=1213#comment-6760 Go to Survivinggrady.com. It's a Red Sox version of NoMaas. I've been ripping them and the Sox for 2 days now. I want us all to infiltrate the enemy to no end. We must take down the uriNation. Go to Survivinggrady.com. It’s a Red Sox version of NoMaas. I’ve been ripping them and the Sox for 2 days now. I want us all to infiltrate the enemy to no end. We must take down the uriNation.

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]]> By: Groovitude http://nomaas.org/2010/02/dissension-within-the-ranks-nomaas-5th-starter-debate-part-ii/comment-page-1/#comment-6641 Groovitude Wed, 03 Feb 2010 18:20:38 +0000 http://nomaas.org/?p=1213#comment-6641 Problem with pro-rating starting and relief innings -- there were stretches where Joba was being stretched out in preparation to be a starter as a reliever, and stretches where Joba was starting games and was being taken out after two innings, effectively using him as a reliever. It's difficult to delineate those innings. Hughes has much more consistently known his role in the innings he's throwing. Problem with pro-rating starting and relief innings — there were stretches where Joba was being stretched out in preparation to be a starter as a reliever, and stretches where Joba was starting games and was being taken out after two innings, effectively using him as a reliever.

It’s difficult to delineate those innings. Hughes has much more consistently known his role in the innings he’s throwing.

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]]> By: Steve http://nomaas.org/2010/02/dissension-within-the-ranks-nomaas-5th-starter-debate-part-ii/comment-page-1/#comment-6638 Steve Wed, 03 Feb 2010 18:08:55 +0000 http://nomaas.org/?p=1213#comment-6638 <i>That would be a stupid response to my post. We are talking about the fifth starter position. </i> "Fifth starter" is not a position. Starting pitcher is a position, and the games started by the 5th member of your rotation count just as much as the other games. If you are committed to skipping your 5th starter every chance you get, then the 5th starter will be a little less important than your other starters. But it will still be more important than a reliever. That would be a stupid response to my post. We are talking about the fifth starter position.

“Fifth starter” is not a position. Starting pitcher is a position, and the games started by the 5th member of your rotation count just as much as the other games.

If you are committed to skipping your 5th starter every chance you get, then the 5th starter will be a little less important than your other starters. But it will still be more important than a reliever.

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]]> By: BomberBanter.com http://nomaas.org/2010/02/dissension-within-the-ranks-nomaas-5th-starter-debate-part-ii/comment-page-1/#comment-6636 BomberBanter.com Wed, 03 Feb 2010 17:59:12 +0000 http://nomaas.org/?p=1213#comment-6636 "Comparing Joba’s 2009 to Hughes’ 2009 is apples to oranges." this is a great point. I see that CarltonB likes putting both Phil and Joba in the pen, but I would argue that this would be akin to driving your kids to school in a Lamborghini when a minivan would get the job done just as well. True enough, Joba didn't make it into the 7th inning last year, but then, I don't recall Phil Hughes being a very successful starter last year either. The bottom line is they are both still a bit early in the development stages and Hughes might be a bit behind, so Joba should start for now but long term, they should both be starters, and we'll probably see that at some point for a week or two this season. “Comparing Joba’s 2009 to Hughes’ 2009 is apples to oranges.” this is a great point. I see that CarltonB likes putting both Phil and Joba in the pen, but I would argue that this would be akin to driving your kids to school in a Lamborghini when a minivan would get the job done just as well. True enough, Joba didn’t make it into the 7th inning last year, but then, I don’t recall Phil Hughes being a very successful starter last year either. The bottom line is they are both still a bit early in the development stages and Hughes might be a bit behind, so Joba should start for now but long term, they should both be starters, and we’ll probably see that at some point for a week or two this season.

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]]> By: Jorge De Paula http://nomaas.org/2010/02/dissension-within-the-ranks-nomaas-5th-starter-debate-part-ii/comment-page-1/#comment-6584 Jorge De Paula Wed, 03 Feb 2010 05:33:56 +0000 http://nomaas.org/?p=1213#comment-6584 Huh? Huh? Remember me guys? 2003? I had that one start remember me? I'm still only 31 just hanging in edmonton give me a call. Huh? Huh? Remember me guys? 2003? I had that one start remember me? I’m still only 31 just hanging in edmonton give me a call.

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]]> By: BronxByTheBay http://nomaas.org/2010/02/dissension-within-the-ranks-nomaas-5th-starter-debate-part-ii/comment-page-1/#comment-6572 BronxByTheBay Wed, 03 Feb 2010 04:11:55 +0000 http://nomaas.org/?p=1213#comment-6572 When things like this get me down, I just put on a little Streisand to take my mind off things. Some old school Judy Garland and a Bloody Mary or two and this girl would be a wreck. Daughter Liza is very underrated and uplifting. When things like this get me down, I just put on a little Streisand to take my mind off things.
Some old school Judy Garland and a Bloody Mary or two and this girl would be a wreck. Daughter Liza is very underrated and uplifting.

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]]> By: K.B.D. http://nomaas.org/2010/02/dissension-within-the-ranks-nomaas-5th-starter-debate-part-ii/comment-page-1/#comment-6566 K.B.D. Wed, 03 Feb 2010 01:19:18 +0000 http://nomaas.org/?p=1213#comment-6566 Why wouldn't you assemble the strongest set of starters possible? And the "3 or 4 times a week," thing is deceptive considering they'd be pitching less innings total out of the bullpen. I'd rather have my best pitchers pitch the most innings and they do that from the rotation. I like how you just dismiss the idea that putting Sabathia in the pen by saying it would be a stupid response. It's not. It's a comment based on your string of logic of having power arms available multiple times per week. Just because it shows the inherent flaw in your way of thinking doesn't mean its' stupid. Also, I take issue with your view of the "fifth starters spot". The fifth starter position is just an index. If Joba is one of the top 5 starters, he should be in the rotation. You don't say "Oh, its the 5th spot, it's completely different from any of the others and good innings contributed there matter less than from other slots." That is a narrow minded view, based solely on it's position in the rotation and maybe you'd be better served by looking at it from a different angle. Why wouldn’t you assemble the strongest set of starters possible? And the “3 or 4 times a week,” thing is deceptive considering they’d be pitching less innings total out of the bullpen. I’d rather have my best pitchers pitch the most innings and they do that from the rotation.

I like how you just dismiss the idea that putting Sabathia in the pen by saying it would be a stupid response. It’s not. It’s a comment based on your string of logic of having power arms available multiple times per week. Just because it shows the inherent flaw in your way of thinking doesn’t mean its’ stupid.

Also, I take issue with your view of the “fifth starters spot”. The fifth starter position is just an index. If Joba is one of the top 5 starters, he should be in the rotation. You don’t say “Oh, its the 5th spot, it’s completely different from any of the others and good innings contributed there matter less than from other slots.” That is a narrow minded view, based solely on it’s position in the rotation and maybe you’d be better served by looking at it from a different angle.

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]]> By: CarltonB http://nomaas.org/2010/02/dissension-within-the-ranks-nomaas-5th-starter-debate-part-ii/comment-page-1/#comment-6550 CarltonB Tue, 02 Feb 2010 22:52:45 +0000 http://nomaas.org/?p=1213#comment-6550 Aceves, Mitre or Gaudin should be the 5th starter. Why waste the talents of Joba and Phil at 5th starter when you could have those power arms 3 or 4 times a week instead of once per week. Who in the AL or MLB for that matter has a fifth starter that is better than Aceves or Gaudin (or what Mitre will be further removed from his surgery)? Some will say, by that logic, put Sabbathia in the pen. That would be a stupid response to my post. We are talking about the fifth starter position. It is almost a surplus position. Take a step back, open your eyes and look from a different angle. Look outside the box. Aceves, Mitre or Gaudin should be the 5th starter. Why waste the talents of Joba and Phil at 5th starter when you could have those power arms 3 or 4 times a week instead of once per week. Who in the AL or MLB for that matter has a fifth starter that is better than Aceves or Gaudin (or what Mitre will be further removed from his surgery)? Some will say, by that logic, put Sabbathia in the pen. That would be a stupid response to my post. We are talking about the fifth starter position. It is almost a surplus position. Take a step back, open your eyes and look from a different angle. Look outside the box.

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]]> By: Tim http://nomaas.org/2010/02/dissension-within-the-ranks-nomaas-5th-starter-debate-part-ii/comment-page-1/#comment-6548 Tim Tue, 02 Feb 2010 22:21:46 +0000 http://nomaas.org/?p=1213#comment-6548 I was at Joba's start in Cleveland last year (8 IP, 1 R, 4 H, 8 K). His last pitch was a 98 mph fastball on the stadium gun for a swinging strikeout. He was touching 96-97 all through the late innings. Give the guy a chance - he has unbelievable upside as a front of the rotation starter. I was at Joba’s start in Cleveland last year (8 IP, 1 R, 4 H, 8 K). His last pitch was a 98 mph fastball on the stadium gun for a swinging strikeout. He was touching 96-97 all through the late innings. Give the guy a chance – he has unbelievable upside as a front of the rotation starter.

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