This morning, a NoMaas reader named Matt Williams sent us an email exchange he had Wednesday with longtime Philadelphia Daily News sports columnist, Bill Conlin. Bill caused a bit of a stir when he penned an article proclaiming the Phillies have the best infield of baseball’s modern era. The point of this post isn’t to debate Conlin’s findings or evaluate Matt’s counter-argument. Rather, we’d like to show you Bill Conlin’s standards of professionalism.
Matt’s initial email:
I read your article about the Phillies infield today. I had several major issues with it. I’m not saying that the Yankees infield is the greatest of all time, but I am pretty sure it’s better than Philly’s.
First of all, Ryan Howard is unreal vs right handed pitching. But he is a horrible hitter vs left handed pitching. He’s below replacement value vs left handers. His OBP last year was below .300 and his slugging % was barely over .350 vs left handers. Because of the fact that Philly overpaid him, they are forced to use a subpar hitter in the middle of the line up vs left handed pitching. Prior to his slight rebound last year, he had declined in 3 straight years in BA/OBP/Slugging %. Mark Teixeira on the other hand is a switch hitter that is much more constistant as a hitter. He won’t put up 50+ HR’s, but he won’t have an OBP less than .300 either. Remember, the goal in baseball is not to create an out. I would say it’s a push because Howard is THAT good vs right handed pitching, but his weakness vs left handed pitching is too great to just say he’s a better hitter. Defensively I would call it a push.
Chase Utley is a better player than Robinson Cano, no arguments there.
Jimmy Rollins is fast declining as a SS. His BA/OBP/Slugging % numbers have decreased 3 straight years. Jeter is still Jeter. Defensively, Rollins is better but Jeter’s offense more than makes up for that.
Alex Rodriguez is hands down better than Placido Polanco and it’s not even close.
Saying that A-Rod puts an asterisk on an all time great infield is just a cop out. He admitted to PED use years ago. That has nothing to do with the 2009 or 2010 season. He was never suspended for steroids because face it, MLB looked the other way. It’s not fair to penalize A-Rod for something he admitted to before joining the Yankees when you don’t know if someone on the Phillies used or not. One can make an arguement that it’s not natural that Ryan Howard hit 58 HR’s in one year, which is more than A-Rod ever did. How do we know Howard wasn’t juicing that year? He never hit more than 50 HR’s in any other season.
If you add longevity, the Yankees infield is clearly better. The 4 players have been teammates 2 straight years and it could very well end up being together 5 or 6 years depending on what happens with Robinson Cano.
Polanco is the difference. If Philly had a better 3rd baseman, it would be a fair argument.
Nothing disrespectful from Matt, right? Tone of the email isn’t inflammatory. Well, Bill Conlin responded to this email with one word and one word only:
STEROIDS
Upon receiving this, Matt became a bit agitiated and replied:
I’m sorry that you can’t admit that Ryan Howard sucks vs LHP and saying Polanco is better than A-Rod because of steriods is just LOL. What’s sad is that you probably have a Hall of Fame vote. Like I said earlier, what does taking steroids in 2003 and earlier have to do w/ playing 3rd base in 2010? Just out of curiousity, if someone on Philly get’s caught w/ PED or steroids, are you going to retract that statement?
Bill Conlin quickly fired back:
Had a HOF vote for 44 years, ace. Retract this.
Wow. How do writers who treat readers like this keep their jobs? Newspapers nowadays aren’t really in the position to respond like this to their main source of revenue generation.




131 Comments
Steve March 12, 2010 13:15
And on the other side of the coin, maybe us Yankee fans should remember that Conlin is like 76 years old.
Of course he’s clueless, he’s old.
Philly March 12, 2010 13:17
Yea don’t worry too much about Conlin. He’s an old dude who thinks hes entitled to shit. Don’t give an honest reader looking to have a discussion one word answers and be an ass. People like him give us a bad name and it’s annoying
old dog March 12, 2010 14:05
I had the same exact response from this clown as well:
Me: Hi Bill,
Saw your article and was obviously interested in seeing how you came about this claim. I guess you forgot the team that beat the Phillies in 6 games in the World Series? Maybe the Phillies have the best infield in the watered down National League but it doesn’t compare to the group the Yankees have. AROD is a safe bet for 30+ hrs and 100 Rbi’s which easily tops Planco, Jeter is a better all around hitter than Rollins as seen by his 18 hrs, .334 BA, and .410 OBP, Cano is comparable to Utley with his .325 BA, 85 RBI’s, and 25 HR’s but Utley is the better player and Tex is better than Howard – better avg, OBP, with comparably HR totals and RBI’s. With some much evidence against your claim I wonder what possessed you to actually write it?
Bill: STEROIDS. . .
That was very professional response which is probably why you write for the Philadelphia Daily News.
Jeter, Cano, and Tex have never been linked to that stuff in anyway and AROD used from 2001 to 2003 so how would that impact his numbers in 2009 when he jacked up Cole Hamels and Brad Lidge on his way to leading the Yanks to dismantling the Phillies? I mean the series wasn’t even close and Howard struck out 100 times so again how is the Phils infield better than the Yanks?
Bill: Figure it out, you’ll come up with something.
Me: Interesting take. I guess tomorrow’s article will discuss how the Eagles are the most successful franchise in the NFL right?
Doc March 12, 2010 15:09
I don’t think anyone is defending Conlin. The guy is a loser and horrible writer whose articles are an embarrassment. It’s pathetic he gets a HOF vote.
But, the Cano comparisons to Utley are laughable. Utley has put up an OBP of over .375 in his last 5 years and an OPS over .900 in the last 5 seasons. Cano hasn’t touched either of those numbers once in his career. Utley doesn’t play in a poor lineup by any standards, but Cano gets more of a benefit from the lineup around him than Chase does. Chase is the best hitter in his lineup while Cano gets the benefit of seeing better pitches while opposing pitchers attack him out of fear of having to face the likes of A-Rod, Tex, and Jeter.
Andy C: They’re not completely meaningless, but they’re really nothing to base a comparison on. Errors alone are a horrible way to judge one’s defense. Obviously, though, Tex is the better defender. The point is that first base isn’t a particularly difficult position to play or one in which having superior defense makes a big difference. That’s why the majority of the first basemen in the league are guys with big builds who hit well (or at least for a ton of power). Because teams are willing to sacrifice defense at that position to put a big bat in the lineup. However, at a spot like second base and shortstop, the opposite has been historically true.
CT Yanks: You’re the type of person who is allowing the steroid era to taint baseball more than it should. The type who makes blind steroid accusations just because they don’t like a player. What about Polanco’s game makes you think he’s ever touched PEDs? He hits for almost no power and isn’t a real impressive offensive player outside of his low strikeout rate. The best part of his game is his defense.
Praveen March 12, 2010 15:21
Why does idiots like Bill get a HOF vote ?
Butcher March 12, 2010 15:50
To the guy who said Cano would admit that Utley is better…yeah right…Cano is one of the most arrogant players in baseball. It’s rare you’ll even see this guy get his uniform dirty. I love Cano and he’s a great all around player, but the guy dogs it a ton. I guarantee you Cano would tell you he’s better than Utley…or as good. He just seems like that type of guy….we’re talking if you got him off the record of course.
fischlin March 12, 2010 15:57
sites and blogs like this remind these dinosaurs in the print world, whether political or sports writers, that they’re lazy, uninformed and have gotten so chummy with the people they’re covering that they aren’t doing their jobs they way they should. Conlin knows he’s a hack so like most other print guys he agressively dismisses any criticism from bloggers and their readers like we’re unworthy of his attention. What a dick.
JoeThunder March 12, 2010 17:09
This guy is a fat pig who ate too many Philly cheese steaks throughout his lifetime. He reminds me of the fat kid who got picked after the anorexic girl w/ glasses in gym class. This portly bastard has mustard breath and you can literally see the green stench rising from his feet. What a fat pig.
Andy C March 12, 2010 17:55
“Obviously, though, Tex is the better defender.”
Thank you, that’s all I wanted to hear.
And for what it’s worth I’d take Utley over Cano any day of the week. Anyone who says otherwise is an idiot.
Brian C. March 13, 2010 01:03
He’s trolling. And hooked a bunch of people.
Pedro's Perm March 13, 2010 11:22
Doc,
First baseman have big builds because they need to have a longer reach….you know…stretching for throws from the 3bm or ss.
They are usually left handed because its more natural for the glove to be on the right hand while reaching for ball, and thier faces are turned at more of an angle towards the diamond.
Its not about sacrificing defense….but about being able to get to more balls with there foot on the bag.
For what its worth, I think Texeira does a fine job with balls while he is off the bag.
Also, regarding your steriods comments…havent we seen enough players get busted that have very limited ability…and are not known as power guys? EVERYONE is under suspicion today…that is the way the game has evolved because of Selig and Co. willingness to turn a blind eye to the problem.
In my opinion, guys like Pujols, ARod, Howard, Prince Fielder…basically any huge power guy you can name are especially under suspicion…so i agree with you there, but guys are guilty that dont have that kind of ability also. They are just trying to hang on for a bit longer before either their lack of talent, or age catches up with them.
don't whine March 13, 2010 11:26
joethunder, your female attempt at an insult was amusing. try harder.
NSA March 14, 2010 12:49
Deadspin did this better and two years ago.
http://deadspin.com/325874/bill-conlin-probably-just-shouldnt-use-email-at-all
Nice plagiarism. Meanwhile, it’s really brilliant to make fun of some old fool columnist who probably uses dial-up AOL. Old guys don’t like stats, what a stunner.
Stick to the homoerotic Cashman posts.
Steve F. March 14, 2010 16:01
Just like his Philly fanbase; No class.
skobak March 14, 2010 17:00
NSA- do you even know what plagiarism means? far as i can tell, this is a nasty e-mail that conlin recently sent to a nomaas reader. the deadspin article is about another nasty e-mail that conlin sent a reader two years ago. the e-mail exchanges were in regard to two separate articles. though they have similar themes, i don’t see a word-for-word copy of the text of the deadspin article at all.
jyak March 14, 2010 21:57
Sounds to me like this guy is still sore the Phillies couldn’t repeat in ’09. He’s going to feel like this for another year because I honestly believe the Yankees and Phillies will both be in the WS in 2010 and the Yankees will repeat!! GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO YANKEES!!
Matt Williams March 15, 2010 10:56
NSA,
I don’t think you understand what plagiarism means. I emailed Conlin explaining why I think his logic is flawed. Not once did I make fun of the guy nor did I copy someone else’s work and pass it off as my own. What’s so hard to understand about that?
It’s one thing for a fan to be biased. It’s quite another thing when someone that is being paid to do a job and chooses to be biased. It creates a conflict of interest, especially when such a person has a vote for the Hall of Fame.
Matt Williams
Adam West March 15, 2010 11:24
That’s a good point. This guy gets a HOF vote but yet holds personal biases for/against players. Terrible.
Jake20 March 15, 2010 14:59
What’s wrong Matty? Your cooter hurt after Conlin schooled you?
Andy C March 15, 2010 17:08
You stay classy, Jake20
Adam West March 15, 2010 17:47
Do Phillies’ fans really support Conlin? That’s embarrassing.
Ches March 17, 2010 05:51
Forget the argument for a second. The fact that fools like Conlin (and I assume Lupica too) have HOF votes, really calls into question the value and validity of HOF/Cooperstown. And that’s just sad.
Butcher March 17, 2010 08:15
I said it in a previous post that the HOF is a complete joke now. They keep guys out because they “don’t like them”…are you kidding me?
You might think hey it’s just one vote…but how many dinosaurs out there like Conlin exist that have a HOF vote…how many complete idiots that don’t even appreciate the game of baseball…or try to play moral judge on these guys. Bottom line…like it or not…the stats stand…no matter how they were obtained…they are all LEGIT STATS. You can’t take them away.
I really dislike these dinosaur sportswriters. I am glad the internet and blogs are making them obsolete.
old dog March 17, 2010 14:56
I don’t think anyone has stated Cano is better than Utley but certainly Cano is more comparable to Utley than Palanco is to ARod…right?
JoeThunder March 21, 2010 10:01
Don’t wine, you have AIDS.
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Bill May 6, 2010 14:06
“Had a HOF vote for 44 years, ace. Retract this.”
Yep, and left Nolan Ryan off your ballot to make a point. Real defender of MLB’s integrity.
JJ June 12, 2010 18:35
No one in philly pays any attention to Conlin. It’s interesting that his ramblings provoke any reaction at all. We treat him a shrug of indifference & an eye roll. He is cartoonishly obese and while this has nothing to do with his writing it is a fun fact to note.
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Jerry Sandusky December 25, 2011 21:27
We should hook up, Bill!