Let’s assume that the Yankees might actually do something this offseason besides overpay a declining shortstop with no contract leverage.
The Felix Hernandez speculation hasn’t seemed to stop, partly because many Yankee fans believe it’s their right to have every superstar play in the Bronx. It can be very annoying, but let’s entertain it. After all, what else is there to talk about?
There is no doubt that acquiring King Felix would come at a heavy, heavy cost. You’re basically talking about setting the farm system back for years. Everything. Gone.
So for an idea of how much the Yankees would have to give up, we checked in with our resident minor league expert, Gary Wallace:
Starts with Jesus Montero, Manuel Banuelos and Joba Chamberlain. Then Adam Warren / Hector Noesi / Graham Stoneburner and David Adams / Brandon Laird / Corban Joseph. This is all purely speculative as I’m not positive what the Mariners are looking for, but I assume they’d want MLB ready players (Montero and Chamberlain) as well as a number of good to very good prospects (ManBan and the two pick-’em sets). I wouldn’t be surprised if they wanted more. There’s no way they can trade Felix without taking back one of the biggest hauls we’ve seen in a long time.
Worth it?
What do you think about Gary Wallace’s package?
47 Comments
Bob December 16, 2010 23:49
Yes thats a great idea. Felix would be great in the Bronx for years.
JoE December 16, 2010 23:52
I’m not sure where Adams or Laird expect to play on this team. And if you plan on saving them for a future trade, who’s worth waiting for if you’re passing up King Felix?
Nick Social December 17, 2010 01:32
Excellent point.
dan l December 17, 2010 00:31
Stupid idea!
Jon December 17, 2010 01:02
If I was going to go after an ace, it would be Greinke since they could get him without draining the farm completely dry.
Speaking of Greinke,what is with the Greinke hate in New York. As someone who has battled a Social Anxiety Disorder since I was 10 year old, I find it laughable how ignorant the world is when it comes to mental disorders. It is a freaking joke how overblown and at times insulting that crap is. There is medication and treatment for those disorders for a reason, and once treated he is basically as confident and able as any other man. Not to mention this man goes into New York in Boston several times a year, I am sure if he can handle the stress with that then he is not some freaking psycho some people like to think he is.
Nick Social December 17, 2010 01:31
Fair enough, but there is a big difference between pitching at Fenway as a Royal, and pitching at Fenway as a Yankee.
I don’t know the man, but if someone has the cloud of social anxiety hanging over their head, I’d think long and hard about bringing him to the Bronx.
Leather Bound Books December 17, 2010 02:22
You don’t have to be an ignorant fuck to see where putting someone with an anxiety disorder in the most stressful possible situation in his profession can be a bad idea no?
Lee Corso December 17, 2010 09:33
yup.
it have to do with the NY media, more then anything else. Unless Social Anxiety Disorder becomes a politically correct item (ala Gays, Racism, Femminism etc) between now and the time he’s traded to NY, the media will afford him no mercy. The only way it would work, is if the Yankees *buffer* him from the media (basically don’t permit media access to him). Otherwise, it will not work.
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[Censored] December 17, 2010 11:41
LOL, well, now we’ve heard from Dr Lee Corso its settled.
Lee Corso December 17, 2010 13:00
This isn’t Corso, and i’m familiar with SAD, first-hand.
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AC December 17, 2010 08:27
Well said, Jon. Guaranteed there’s already a couple players on the Yanks who are on meds for some type of mental illness.
K December 17, 2010 01:30
Yankees aren’t getting Felix without giving up Hughes + Montero + a lot more.
JESUS christ December 17, 2010 05:26
Someone give this guy a KOOKIE
average yankee fan December 17, 2010 05:43
Cervelli, Robertson, Nunez and Joba gets it done.. 28 here we come!
Ben Grieving December 17, 2010 06:16
First of all, Big Z in Seattle already said that they will not even entertain trade offers for the King.
Second, after getting screwed last season by Z in the failed Lee trade, no way Cashman gets especially generous with Seattle – maybe ever again.
We need to move on. And Chicago’s Big Z is also not the answer – he isn’t that great (take a look at those K rates dropping like a rock) and Greinke isn’t coming here – get over it. Lee was our best option and there really isn’t a great plan B out there – nobody wants to deal their quality starters.
Steve December 17, 2010 08:42
Agree that Zambrano is probably not the answer, but his K rates have not been dropping at all. They were dropping in 2007-8, but they are back up to normal the last 2 years.
The problem are the walks. He’s a fat AJ Burnett.
Which wouldn’t be terrible if the Cubs ate some money. If not, forget it.
Kenny Fucking Powers December 17, 2010 16:59
Little Stevie Janowski…..think Ben G is referring to the GM Zaliewski in Seattle, not Zambrano….I’M FUCKING IN! And you’re fucking out!
Butthead December 21, 2010 14:20
You should try reading the whole post before trying to wreck someone.
“And Chicago’s Big Z is also not the answer – he isn’t that great (take a look at those K rates dropping like a rock) and Greinke isn’t coming here – get over it. Lee was our best option and there really isn’t a great plan B out there – nobody wants to deal their quality starters.”
Alvero Espinoza December 17, 2010 07:03
Cano, Joba, Montero for
King and Figgins.
cliffton lee December 17, 2010 07:20
ya, ok – maybe they’ll throw in ichy-ro too.
stoopid.
Sensitive RAB guy December 17, 2010 08:12
Gary, Can I have a peek?
swedski December 17, 2010 09:25
Social anxiety disorder is very different from the ability to handle NYC. Ed Whitson didn’t have the disorder but couldn’t cope with NY. How many people who live in NYC NJ have this disorder and cope daily.
Nick Social December 17, 2010 11:36
And how many of them pitch for the Yankees?
Lee Corso December 17, 2010 09:26
sure.
and then Hernandez blows out his arm, and we have nothing.
will take my chances with the kids.
pass.
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Joe December 17, 2010 13:09
Agreed. As the saying goes, you don’t put all your eggs in one basket.
Sato December 17, 2010 09:46
YOU COWARD!
Mr. Miyagi December 17, 2010 11:32
/honks nose
me December 17, 2010 10:18
felix has a no trade to the yanks and 4 years left. why would they trade him now, they could the winter of 2013 and still get top prospects for him. also the m’s could be good by 4 years and sign him to an even longer extension by then. same thing happened with ichiro who they thought would get moved and then they had a good season and they extended him. in the west it could be wide open by then.
Name (required) December 17, 2010 11:29
The AL West is always open because there are only 4 teams in that division. That is a huge advantage to being there.
Russ December 17, 2010 11:20
Why trade for him now when you can trade for him around May when Seattle decides the season is a bust.
guy December 17, 2010 12:29
Dumb post. Stupid Trade.
Best Photoshop ever.
dirty old man December 17, 2010 13:25
It’s not a trade proposal, dickwad. they’re trying to give us an idea of what the cost would be.
Mike K December 17, 2010 12:47
Considering Cashman’s track record drafting and developing, if we can get Felix for anyone in our farm system I’d do it.
Lee Corso December 17, 2010 13:02
anyone fine. Any 7, to helll with that.
Butthead December 21, 2010 14:23
Agreed. Cash has delivered exactly one elite player: Robinson Cano. Hughes is a nice pitcher, but absolutely not there yet. Maybe he will be, but I need to see it first.
At any rate, the Mariners will never trade Felix Hernandez until he demands a trade. He’s the best pitcher in baseball and only 24.
Mike Axisa December 17, 2010 13:57
I have no jerseys at all. I’m a shirtsey guy.
i know December 17, 2010 14:03
This trade isn’t going to happen anyways so lets stop talking about it
Theo's Pool Boy December 17, 2010 14:05
Felix will only give up he no trade clause for a trip to Beantown. To where the winners are.
All this speculation of a trade for Felix is nothing more than the rantings of lunatic minds. Dreamers.
Seattle won’t let their meal ticket leave. Speaking of meal tickets. It’s time for me to suck Theo’s pool pump out.
Toodles.
OMJ December 17, 2010 14:24
Feliciano deal is done. Cashman gets an A+ for this offseason. All kidding aside, the Red Sox are better but the Yankees will likely be better too:
1) Burnett can’t be as bad as last year, can he?
2) Teix, Alex, Curtis and Jeter are all going to bounce back offensively to some extent from ’09.
3) I don’t buy Cliff Corcoran’s assertion that Posada needs to catch to hit well. He will rake at DH.
4) Cashman gets a deal done for a good SP by the trade deadline.
Joe Pawlikowski December 17, 2010 14:30
I would never trade anyone prospect. All Yankee prospects become studs.
JoeyO December 22, 2010 17:24
name one
Ted Lilly?
Soriano?
Juan Rivera?
Melky Cabrera?
Russ Davis?
Sterling Hitchock?
Ian Kennedy?
How many guys go on to have outstanding careers? No one… Maybe you can say Bob Wickman and Mike Lowell had decent careers after the Yanks… but “studs” I can’t think of one.
Cornell Medical School December 17, 2010 14:58
May we have Russ Martin’s and A-Rod’s hips when you’re done using them?
Many of us here are curious– how does one catch convalescing from a broken hip and torn medial meniscus. Don’t you have to squat or something?
Yankees need to stop throwing money at other team’s injuries. Should have signed Wang — at least his is a homegrown injury.
CLIFF "MUTHA FUKIN" LEE "Da Gawd" December 17, 2010 18:03
HAHA Without me you guys aint shit. Lol at Russel Martin and Pedro Feliciano being your big aqquasitions
William Zabka December 17, 2010 21:27
I’m available…
Warner Wolf December 19, 2010 21:08
meanwhile, Nomaas says its yankee fans clamoring for King but links us to 2 seattle blogs. Good job.
JoeyO December 22, 2010 08:34
I don’t care about our farm system. Just trade them away. Get someone who can help us win in 2011. We should worry about 2014 when the time comes.
Yanks can’t win this year unless they have a SP. We have Martin to be our catcher this year, Posada to be our DH, and every other important fielding position is locked for a few more years except for the bumb Swisher.
If you trade a few top notch prospects for Felix, and resign Pettitte, then we are the AL favorite yet again.(And let’s get Swisher out of that outfield.)
What they SHOULD do, but it will never happen. Move Jeter to Left, Gardner to Right, A-Rod to SS and sign Beltre.
Scarlet Remund January 21, 2011 12:02
I am so dumb. I have a whole study guide to do with the book and returned my book today. D: Internet surfing all the answers? Yes.