In our ongoing assessment of how the Yankees ended up with their current rotation, we read this tidbit:
GM Brian Cashman said the Yankees never made an offer to Reds lefty Aroldis Chapman as an amateur.
The Reds were able to lock up Chapman for five years with a $16.25mil signing bonus and a measly $9mil in total salary (plus a $5mil player option in 2015). Chapman made his debut for the Reds in 2010 making 15 appearances out of the bullpen with a 2.03 ERA (1.35 FIP). He will likely begin the year as the Reds set-up man, but he was a starter for four years in Cuba and was a dominant strikeout pitcher in the Reds’ minor league system last year. Yet, Cashman couldn’t be bothered to even raise his hand at the auction?
The really strange thing about this neglect is that we’re always hearing about how Cashman signs guys because scouts get him under-the-surface information that apparently nobody else is detecting (as with Colon or Chan Ho Park). But these same scouts failed to pick up on the fact that this relatively cheap free-agent pitcher could throw a ball faster than anyone else in the world?
As we stated in our offseason verdict, you can’t just say, “well, no one was available this offseason, so this is the best the Yankees could do.” Plan ahead, son. This was a missed opportunity that could have changed the complexion of the Yankees rotation.



55 Comments
[Censored] March 10, 2011 09:18
Has Cashman taken over Joe’s Green tea stash?
Corey March 10, 2011 09:30
I really can’t believe that either…who knows…
Jim Leyritz's Cellmate March 10, 2011 09:38
Hey, we did get Kei Igawa.
kei igawa March 10, 2011 10:55
herrroooooo!!!!!!!!!
Ralph March 10, 2011 09:41
cash says we need to be patient….patience? he’s talkin about patience?! patience!
Zero March 10, 2011 09:45
When Chapmans arm detonates and blows up all over the place the Yankees will be glad they dont have any money tied up in him. I don’t think there has ever been as sure of a bet as betting that Chapman will have a major injury sooner than later.
Glory Hole March 10, 2011 09:50
Maybe. But with the Yankees $$, it seems like a risk willing to take. Look at how they draft guys who have TJS right after.
Steve March 10, 2011 11:40
This is a poor analogy. Most draft picks sign for about $1-2M and have options. They can have TJS and recover before they ever touch the big league roster.
Chapman’s contract is structured in such a way that he is guaranteed $30M no matter what.
There are also a lot of bonuses in his contract that can pay him more $$ and get him to arbitration. In reality, it’s a lot bigger than a $30M contract.
IOW, it’s completely apples and oranges.
what? March 11, 2011 00:18
are these ratings about, legit comment.
[Censored] March 11, 2011 11:42
They are basically an internet gaydar
Sensitive RAB Guy March 13, 2011 09:43
ding ding ding
Sensitive RAB Guy March 10, 2011 09:58
under the radar = diarrhea?
Jeet Skeet March 10, 2011 10:05
it was all a dream…
Steve Balboni's Bastard March 10, 2011 10:07
Cashman has been brutal judging pitchers.
Chris M. March 10, 2011 10:09
I am a Cashman fan, but I have to agree on this.
Steve Balboni's Bastard March 10, 2011 10:16
His track record speaks for itself really.
Chris M. March 10, 2011 10:24
True. I usually throw out the pre-full authority years because you have no idea who actually made those decisions, but since then we’ve had
Igawa
Burnett
Vazquez
The Joba fuckup and all the missed trades as a result
Marte
Hell, even Tyler Clippard is putting up sub-4 FIPs.
Vizzini March 10, 2011 11:03
A full and fair accounting would have to also include CC and perhaps Hughes, but your point still stands. He’s certainly had a stronger when it comes to hitters (eg Tex, Swish).
Roy Keane's dog March 10, 2011 20:39
Also keep in mind the Abreu deal…that was striking like a thief in the night. Which is why I take with a grain of salt Cashman poor-mouthing the current market for a starter.
Steve March 10, 2011 11:29
A “fair and full accounting” would also exclude Marte and Clippard, b/c really, who cares?
Is there any doubt that Marte was a good pitcher? Not really. He just can’t stay healthy. They blew that one. Big deal. Hasn’t stopped them from doing a damn thing.
Wow, and Clippard is putting up sub 4 FIPs in an NL bullpen?? Where is the tar and feathers??! The Yankees definitely need more relievers. Oh wait, no they don’t.
Oh Yeah! March 10, 2011 11:36
Atta boy.
Kevin March 10, 2011 18:03
Fire Cashmen ?
Steve March 10, 2011 11:27
I agree that Cashman is better on the offensive side, but it’s kindof crazy to lump Chapman into the mix at this point. He has yet to become a successful major league starting pitcher.
There is a good chance that he doesn’t.
If Chapman does turn into a #1 starter, Cashman should be blamed, no doubt. If he tops out as a lights out reliever, then who gives a crap?
Also, this criticism that he didn’t make a formal offer is kindof silly. They were involved in the entire process, remember Chapman sitting with Cashman during the 2009 World Series? I am sure they had a number in mind. If you also recall, the smartest GM on earth, Theo Epstein, offered “only” $15.5M. Maybe the Yankees were prepared to offer $25M until the Reds offered $30M??
I don’t know, I’d like to see the guy actually be a good starter before I decide that the Yanks missed the boat.
Oh Yeah! March 10, 2011 11:37
Fruit punch!
Steve March 10, 2011 11:42
We get to bash Cashman for something that hasn’t actually happened yet, but if you don’t, you are drinking Kool-Aid.
That’s awesome, you’ve established a position where you can never be wrong. Good for you!
Oh Yeah! March 10, 2011 11:48
No, in your attempts to play Mr. Rational, you make yourself sound like an idiot by justifying every move the Yankees make.
Steve March 10, 2011 12:09
My point is there is nothing to “justify” yet. If Chapman tears is up as a starter and I’m sitting here making excuses, that’s drinking Kool-Aid. And there are plenty of valid reasons to think that he won’t become a viable long-term starter.
Yoda March 10, 2011 10:47
Patience….Finish what you have begun.
Hate….Fear….Agression…..
All lead to the dark side
Control – Control – You must learn control
[Censored] March 10, 2011 12:18
I would like to see more of “Oh yeah!” and “Secret Muslim”
Sensitive RAB Guy March 10, 2011 17:14
I would like NoMaas to track Secret Muslim’s IP address.
Your gay lover March 10, 2011 19:32
And I had someone tracking you home from the Bunk House last night. So tell me, how was he? SLUT!
Ghyslain March 10, 2011 16:53
Hi.
Business Suit March 10, 2011 18:12
this is a pathetic excuse for a criticism and I fail to see how it would help out our rotation. You guys suck.
Jack Dawson March 10, 2011 19:32
Where’s Rose?
Middle Class People March 10, 2011 21:51
I guess this cant be blamed on Cashman either huh Nomass? Guess thats Hal and Hanks fault too….
[Censored] March 10, 2011 21:58
Actually, I think we can safely blame this one on Obama.
randy March 11, 2011 10:40
i think we’ve been yankee fans long enough to realize cashman is not a good gm. he doesnt know good talent unless they are established mlb players already on other mlb teams. those are the only players he goes after – the ones who everybody knows are already good. he can’t see that with overseas, high school and college players like good gms can.
bobwatson/gen michael March 11, 2011 11:47
we built the dynasty that started in 1996…cashman stumbled into a title 2 years ago…he’s a buffoon…and torre managed our dynasty out of two or three more titles…
RiverAveBooHooHoos March 11, 2011 15:10
Why dontcha just shut up?
Kim Last March 15, 2011 14:34
Lumps
Joe Pawlikowski March 16, 2011 12:43
^^^THIS
Bart Colon March 11, 2011 19:42
They’ve committed $30 million to a guy who’s provided, at most, a few million in value so far (0.7 WAR). If he flames out this year with a severe injury, which seems inevitable at some point given his freakishly high velocity, that knocks him out for 12-18 months. On top of that, he’s not going to be 100% right afterward. If he remains in the pen, or even if he becomes a starter midseason this year and gets hurt at some point, they may not get $30MM in value over the next 4 seasons.
TSJC March 11, 2011 20:32
I like to offer my bulbous behind to Bexy and her big black dildo…..shhhh…I’m on the down low
r2-d2 March 12, 2011 02:27
me too
PeteAbeLuvsJizzToo March 11, 2011 21:12
Kei Igawa wishes he had an ERA of 8.9.
Gilbert Godfried March 15, 2011 17:44
He also wishes his family was still alive and his home was still erect. Please don’t fire me!!!
A man with a stick in his ass March 12, 2011 06:50
Guys, it’s starting to bleed.
Larry Roth's Child March 12, 2011 07:49
Cashman didn’t like his attitude, Cashman spent almost a half a billion in 09, Hal cut him off.. He had no idea Burnett would suck, he thought he was getting Cliff Lee and Pettitte would pitch forever, plus he was spending his time recruiting Nick Johnson and Randy Winn, and he knew in 5 yr’s Banuelos and Betances would be ready, Anybody see how good Soriano looks?
Larry Roth's Child March 12, 2011 07:50
BTW regarding Soriano, xFIP this
RiverAveBoohoohoos March 12, 2011 12:41
Check yaself before ya wreck yaself, big dicks in ya ass is bad for ya health.
Why did I bother? March 13, 2011 00:40
Love the photoshops here… great chuckle from time to time. Got bored reading the senseless posts about 6 months ago. Rejects jerkin’ themselves off with 5-6 names each, waging childish war with equally moronic douchebags from another site. Months later… same shit. Great to see that you’ve evolved. I’m going to go ask my 4 year old son what he thinks about the upcoming season. Much more intellectually sound conversation. You keep at it though, I bet you all get lots of dates… (please dont count the ones you go on with each other)
Sensitive RAB Guy March 13, 2011 05:43
Tell the Mrs. we say hi…
2nd Screen Name, same jerk off March 13, 2011 09:48
Try the Fan Forums: you can talk NYY w/all your favorite fake 80s movie characters & they might be more insightful than your 4 yr old.
Steve S March 13, 2011 11:31
“I’m just counting the days till Bryce Harper is a Yankee.”
Ok, time to make the muffins.
AndrewYF March 14, 2011 13:26
And I can’t believe Cashman didn’t even make an offer to Rich Harden and Justin Duchscherer! What an idiot! Those guys are no-brainers!
Oh, they’re both hurt? Let’s never mention them again…
NoMaas. Not really any different than the MSM.