On Sunday, Joel Sherman of the NY Post wrote about how the Yankees MUST sign Carlos Beltran this offseason. This is a very dumb idea. Here’s why.
Sherman says that he expects Beltran to command a deal of at least $42 million over 3 years, so presumably, the Yankees would have to pay more to ensure his signing.
Now, Beltran is a very good hitting right fielder. However, the Yankees already have a $10.25 club option for Nick Swisher that they could just pick up. At first, Sherman suggests that the Yankee pick up Swish’s option, and then Girardi would rotate Beltran, Swisher, Gardner, and Montero in three spots (LF, RF, & DH). Great, so the Yankees should spend $42 million for the right to sit an above-average player every game. This makes no sense at all.
Recognizing his own confusion, Sherman next recommends that the Yankees don’t pick up Swisher’s option and sign Beltran, because as he says in his article, the former Met is a “flat-out better hitter.”
When healthy, Beltran is indeed a better hitter. But consider the all following mitigating factors:
1) Beltran is a career .372 wOBA hitter. The last three seasons, Swisher has posted wOBAs of .358, .377, and .375. It’s much closer than Sherman is led to believe by their divergent batting averages.
2) Beltran will be 35 next season. Swisher will be 32. Beltran is entering the part of the age curve that begins to decline steeply, whereas we would expect Swisher to maintain more of his 2011 talent level. This makes the hitting comparison even closer.
3) At 35, Beltran will have to fend off more injuries on top of serious medical issue that his knees already present. Beltran managed 142 games in his walk year, but played in only 64 and 81 games the prior two years. Swish, on the other hand, has been a reliable, injury-free, workhorse. He has appeared in at least 150 games each of the past 6 seasons.
4) Swisher is the better fielder. Beltran’s knees have severely limited him in the field the last three years, culminating in a -9.2 UZR/150 in 2011. Swisher meanwhile posted a career best 8.8+ UZR/150.
In fairness to Sherman, Carlos Beltran does have the higher upside. However, in Nick Swisher, the Yankees have a reliable asset that projects to have a similar median value next year. Swisher’s $10.25 million option is less than he’s worth. Why commit to the much riskier player for three years at a higher AAV when you can have Swisher for less than market value and only commit to one year? Stick with Swish.




73 Comments
Carlos Beltran October 9, 2011 22:23
Pero me gusta mucho dinero por mas annos. Tambien mi mole se gusta.
Brandon October 9, 2011 22:25
But Beltran hits in the postseason!!!!!
Kyle Farnsworth October 10, 2011 10:39
Only off of me!!
Joe Torre October 9, 2011 22:33
What we should really worry about is pitching. If we throw 162 perfect games then we won’t need any offense.
Kevin S. October 10, 2011 07:01
Didn’t Philly try that this year?
Cliff Lee October 11, 2011 00:55
I’m not getting any younger either!
Jesus Montero October 11, 2011 00:57
I wanted to kick your ass this World Series. Oh well. There’s always next year.
Adam Wainwright October 9, 2011 22:34
I ‘posterized’ that dude!
Brett Pedroia October 11, 2011 00:55
That’s one of my many hobbies!
Still bitter and kind of kidding October 9, 2011 22:46
Yeah but Beltran won’t choke on a fat cock in the playoffs.
Bitter October 9, 2011 23:04
I don’t care who is in right, as long as it isn’t Swisher. The playoff sample size is large enough to write him off as a bad fit for the Yankees. His homeruns and RBIs against the Royals and Orioles during the summer don’t mean jack shit.
Mike Ax isa October 10, 2011 00:05
Sorry, dickhead 147 post season AB’s are too small of a sample, and he would come to his career norms given 600 AB’s.
Just been unlucky as a pst season Yankee
Censored October 10, 2011 10:22
You can’t judge someone by 5-10 games at the end of a season. How did arod go from being unclutch, to clutch in 09, to unclutch this year? random variation!
Awesome October 9, 2011 23:06
but you guys also wanted to move Matsui to 1b and sign milton bradley to play cf
as much as i like swisher, this team needs more reliable bats and swishers post season numbers have looked awful.
I respect opinions but id take Beltran over Swisher
BNBG October 9, 2011 23:07
No wonder people loathe NY sports media.
Security at Yankee Stadium October 9, 2011 23:13
We would not welcome Carlos Beltran into Yankee Stadium. We have direct orders from above.
Billy Bean in Moneyball October 9, 2011 23:39
Why do we like Nick Swisher?
(snaps finger, points to Peter Brandt)
He gets on base.
Shogun of Harlem October 9, 2011 23:52
I agree if there were a better alternative to Swisher, as much as I like him, I would do it. Swisher is Arod in the playoffs and we are signing more of these players than clutch hitters.
Now, I wouldnt sign Beltran either, but Swisher is a big zero when it matters and should be replaced!
Mike Ax isa October 10, 2011 00:06
You are a fool, Swisher has just been unlucky…small sample size
TSJC October 12, 2011 15:53
Racist honky trash
Mike Ax isa October 14, 2011 23:03
I like gay niggas, call me TSJC
Carlos Beltran's Agent October 10, 2011 00:04
Joel,
How can I get in touch with the guys at Nomaas? I want to slip them a few hundred to write a puff piece about Carlos too.
Kevin October 10, 2011 00:07
Especially since that if you pick up Swisher’s option he lines up to be a free agent at the same time as Matt Kemp and other pitchers. Assuming they don’t get extended.
Scotty B. October 10, 2011 00:13
Swisher’s “similar median value next year” means he will suck ass yet again in the playoffs so i’d rather not see him on the team yacking it up and acting a fool knowing he fears playoff baseball.
Brandon October 10, 2011 00:43
But in all seriousness, I’d be willing to give him a shot at DH on a one year deal. I don’t give a fuck if Montero is Mike Piazza bad at catching. His offensive upside too enormous.
Jesus Montero October 11, 2011 00:56
Tell that to Joe Girardi.
Scotty B. October 10, 2011 01:38
People who point to small sample sizes in the case of Nick Swisher need to understand that every post season at bat = 35 regular season at bats.
Nick Swisher fears the big stage.
Kevin S. October 10, 2011 07:04
Doesn’t change the n at which his numbers become reliable. People who point to choking need to understand what statistical relevance is.
Some jerkoff October 10, 2011 15:10
But I am an inconsequential human being with a mediocre existence who has never/will never have the opportunity to succeed or fail in a high pressure situation!
Trust me… I know “clutch”, and Nick Swisher fears the big stage!
Nick Social October 10, 2011 15:11
One post-seaon AB equals 35 regular season at bats?
How do you figure?
Careful Observer October 10, 2011 01:52
Can Beltran get a run with bases loaded less than 2 outs in October ?
if yes, sign immediately
Adam Wainwright October 10, 2011 02:47
You guys think Beltran will get the big hit in October with the game on the line? LOL. He’d probably be too shell-shocked to even swing at it.
The Knicks are Back. October 10, 2011 05:23
I am kind of saddened by some of these posts. I was as frustrated as everyone else watching Swisher hit this postseason, just like I was with A-rod…until 2009. These small sample size based reputations tend to fix themselves, and Swisher has been very productive in the regular season (what do you think gets you to the postseason?).
Carlos Beltran October 10, 2011 06:30
Too bad this isn’t 2005 because then you guys would clamoring for me. Having said that I’m off to the bank to cash my last Fred Wilpon endorsed check.
Routine Ground Ball October 10, 2011 08:31
Health. Swisher has it, Beltran doesn’t. Who will provide more value when Beltran is sitting on the bench for +300 ABs each season? The man’s knees are jello. Haven’t you guys ever spoken to any Met fan? We don’t want this guy on our team in the declining years of his life.
Great point about 2012-2013 free agent class as well. Why give Beltran multiple years if there will be better OF’s available after 2012?
Nick Johnson October 11, 2011 00:58
Amen, brother!
Carl Pavano October 11, 2011 00:58
I’ll drink to that!
Josh Beckett October 11, 2011 00:58
Did someone say drink???
Jason Varitek, TEAM CAPTAIN October 11, 2011 02:14
Don’t worry, Joshie. I’ll have some Boston Lagers stashed away in the bullpen during the game.
Rich Mahogany October 10, 2011 10:10
Signing Beltran is such a stupid idea that it barely merits thought.
1. Swisher is durable, Beltran isn’t.
2. Beltran isn’t a sure thing. The Giants got him to improve their shitty offense. He failed to do that.
3. You can’t sign or dump players based solely on playoff performance. First you have to get to the playoffs, which is never a sure thing in the AL East as we should all know from 2008 and the Red Sox’ collapse this year. Swisher will help you do that at least as much as Beltran would. Second, there is no mystical formula for determining how a player will perform in the playoffs. If you want to dump one year of Swisher for multiple years of Beltran, how can you guarantee that Beltran will play better in the playoffs?
4. Will it’s not fair, Beltran is a guy most Mets fans remember for taking called strike 3 gainst Wainwright to be eliminated from the playoffs. It’s not like he’s some mythical playoff hero.
Awesome October 10, 2011 11:46
1. If we are going to label Beltran as no durable then we also have to label swisher as a slow starter and an awful hitter in the post season
2. just to point out it wasnt beltrans fault the giants offense didnt pick up, he hit .323 .369 .551 .920 with them
3. Agree, theres no formula for post season, but this isnt about the post season IMO, I just think that Arod and teix are worrisome, And a bigger bat would aid the lineup better. since DH and RF are the only areas that the yanks could upgrade in. But I agree i wouldnt go 3 years for beltran but if hed take one with an option id do it.
4. If id base a players post season performance based on one at bat then id think Arod completely sucks
Rich Mahogany October 10, 2011 14:42
You’re right about almost all of this. I wrote without looking at the numbers and made a lot of mistakes.
Beltran actually has fantastic postseason numbers and is still a very good player. Good enough, I think, that he won’t take fewer than three years.
I think he does have durability concerns considering his 2009-2010 seasons, so I wouldn’t want him at the number of years he will likely get.
Swisher is not an ideal option, but what makes him appealing is that we can get him for just one year at a good price. Maybe I’m naive but I believe he can give us one good postseason performance.
Awesome October 11, 2011 00:37
well in reality anyone can give us a good post season, guys like cody ross or david eckstein have stepped up in that moment out of nowhere and become post season heroes though noone would build a team around them.
When it comes to Beltran Im not thinking in post season facts as the reason to get him but on the questionmarks that teix and arod have become.
Is Arod going to come back and be atleast a 26 – 100 rbi guy to be cleanup? Will teix stop being so one dimensional?
I just think that when you take Beltran into this lineup it just adds more depth, is it risky? sure, but aj was a risk and he hasnt hit the DL.
My ideal target would be Matt Kemp but as a stop gap id take beltran and Im a huge swisher fan , i believe he brings a down to earth ease in the clubhouse that we didnt have before 09 but Im just concerned with the 4 and 5 hitters
and if swisher in a trade brings you pitching help then its win win
The Knicks are Back. October 11, 2011 07:45
I can’t really take this post seriously as it implies that the A.J. signing has worked out.
Awesome October 11, 2011 09:20
in terms of durability yes, you cant take out of context the reality that everyone thought AJ wasnt durable and always hurt and has yet to hit the DL as a yankee
Kei Igawa October 11, 2011 11:52
Neither have I! Har Har Har! Chop Suey!
Awesome October 11, 2011 15:28
actually you did, you ended your yankee career on the DL and not the phantom one
Jose Reyes October 11, 2011 01:00
Hey, shaddup fool! Beltran’s almost as durable as I am!
Grammy and Grampa October 10, 2011 10:28
Quit looking for us on the scoreboard, and pay attention to your at-bat, Nicky! We are not at the stadium anyway. Everyone is 22 in heaven! ITS AN ORGY UP HERE EVERYDAY!
PS look us up when you get up here, we are getting into some freaky shit lately.
Tim McCarver October 10, 2011 11:25
I believe Nick Swisher is looking up at himself on the scoreboard before every pitch. He must be a very vain individual.
Bob Gibson would have hit him right in the back of the head for that type of behavior. And been correct in doing so.
Carlos Beltran October 10, 2011 17:12
Yeah but does Nick Swisher come with a cool coco puff birthmark ?? Didn’t think so!
CC Sabathia October 11, 2011 01:00
Would be cooler if it was Cap’n Crunch
Carl Crawford October 11, 2011 01:01
Get yourself a tattoo of your zodiac sign on your neck, then we’ll talk
DormantUlcer October 10, 2011 17:58
Isn’t Prince Fielder a free-agent after this season? Why is this even an option? They can talk about keeping the payroll down all they want, you mean to tell me THAT bat wouldn’t do some damage in THAT park?
Optimum October 10, 2011 19:07
Scotty B. is a fucking gash.
Theo Epstein October 10, 2011 20:36
I’ve already offered Beltran 7 years/126 million.
Carl Crawford October 11, 2011 01:01
That’s it?? Hahahaaa
Joel Sherman October 10, 2011 22:17
The best part about all of this is the fact that I’m just another self loathing Jewish New Yorker that has never held a baseball yet alone been on a diamond. I mean, I have uncle named Lester Diamond but that’s as close as it gets for me.
Mike Ax isa October 11, 2011 00:51
I love you Sherman….call me at my basement sublet
Steve from Bayshore -- aka "Bulldog Cakes" October 11, 2011 14:37
Mike, I love you
“I have over 11,000 posts and I bet 10,000 of them are in the Yankee thread.” (RonFez.net)
“Awww shucks. You guys are making me blush! Looking at this thread, to have a life filled with bulldogs, cakes and all you guys, I consider myself lucky.
Thank you thank you thank you! Keep them puppies comin!”
Mike Ax isa October 12, 2011 02:45
You sound yummy. Lets go nuts.
Mike Francesser October 11, 2011 14:53
As much as I luv Belt-Tran I tink Swisha is a betta option for da Yanks in Right Field. He pays a solid Right Filed , he has come up wit a few yuge plays durin da yeahr.
Belt-tran is an injury waitin ta happen…there you have it folks, we have Georgia Roddy at the top of the hour, followed by cc Sabathier and Joe Name-It talking NFL…
Back aftah dis, here’s the Mink.
rocky dijon October 11, 2011 15:51
bad news…Jeter is back dating Minka Kelly….that means a 240 batting average.
AJW October 12, 2011 00:20
Joel Sherman is a horses ass. He knows nothing. A disgrace to the media.
Mike Ax isa October 12, 2011 02:47
I’d like to mount that heeb’s ass
Ben Ka bak's Dad October 12, 2011 15:54
You have to mount me first, fatty.
Mike Ax isa October 14, 2011 23:05
Call me now, my roomates are gone! The basement sublet is open!!
mike francesa October 14, 2011 10:13
hey wait a second, again, wait a second, to be honest, again, wait a second, somebody stole my name Wtf.
Hey Beltran is a much better singer then Hollywood Swisher, not to mention a much better post game quote. All you Swishaholics are dreaming if you think he’s worth more then $10.25 on the open market
Heidi Watney October 14, 2011 10:20
trust me Beltran will last much longer then Swisher, he’s been a charter member of the Boston Medical Group now for 2 years
Mike Ax isa October 14, 2011 23:08
Heidi:
You like nerdy, fangraph guys who live in basement sublets?
If I’m not available, Benny and Joe Paw fit the profile
Mike Ax isa October 14, 2011 23:08
Lets go nuts
pudinmanos October 31, 2011 20:31
OK – Sign Beltran – DH him – Trade Montero for Kershaw. Stock up on PED’s.
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