From Marc Carig of the Star-Ledger:
Yankees pitching prospect Michael Pineda has an anterior labral tear in his right shoulder that will end the 23-year-old right-hander’s season, Yankees general manager Brian Cashman said today.
In announcing the news to reporters this afternoon, Cashman said he was “devastated.”
Cashman said he believes the tear occurred on the final pitch of Pineda’s extended spring training start on Saturday. An MRI on Pineda’s shoulder administered this offseason, prior to the trade that brought Pineda to the Yankees, did not show any damage, Cashman said, though small labral tears are not visible on MRIs.
“We got a healthy player to the best of everybody’s knowledge,” said Cashman, who noted that Pineda’s rotator cuff is fine.
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For the Ledge Jumpers April 25, 2012 18:39
A: .254/.270/.343 2 HRs 9 RBIs 11 Ks
B: .250/.277/.409 2 HRs 9 RBIs 4 Ks
A = Jesus Montero
B = Raul Ibanez
It’s still too soon to judge this trade.
Ledge Jumper April 25, 2012 18:47
Include their ages and prior years stats, and see if you come with the same non-judgement.
Give me Cashman’s head!
Knee-Jerk April 25, 2012 19:10
Until Montero shows he can produce elite numbers at the major league level, he’s nothing the Yankees can’t replace. So far he’s shown he can have half of a Shane Spencer September. Whether it’s A-Rod in the future or another 1 year free agent, DH is the least of the Yankees worries. If Montero becomes one of the best in the game, he will be back here in 5-6 years at the same ridiculous cost he would have earned here anyway. Until Pineda shows that he will never recover or Campos fails to reach the Show, the result of the trade is incomplete. We don’t know the other offers Cashman had out there, but if the Yankees become 2012 World Champs, WHO CARES?
Eduardo Núñez April 26, 2012 08:12
HEY MORAN MONTERO NOTORIOUS SLOW STARTER WE WILL SEE IN AUGUST IF IBANEZ STILL ROUND HITTIN BOMBS WHEN YANKS DOWN 11 – 2
MOTHERFOCKER ASSHOLE FOCK PINEDA FOCK CAMPOS AND FOCK YOU IN THE ASHOLE WIT BASEBALL BAT MOTHERFOCKER SOCKER PISS HEAD
Neocon April 26, 2012 15:21
Lets not forget giving Andrew Brackman a Major League deal, coming off TJ surgery, and then comparing him to David Price, telling media outlets “You think Price is good, wait until you see my guy”. Then evaluating the pitching landscape and deciding that Ian Kennedy, IPK, was the one that was expendable over Joba and Hughes. IPK came in 3rd in Cy Young voting in 11. ASSHOLE
Jesus Montero April 26, 2012 00:43
3 for 5 tonight with two RBI and a run- fuck you too.
MILF April 26, 2012 01:04
Ibanez 2 for 4 tonight with a homer, one run, and 2 RBI’s. Diarrhea-head.
Jesus Montero April 26, 2012 02:07
I can actually field a position, make 1/2 as much and have a future. See me in three years when Pineda is pitching out of the bullpen for the Royals and Campos is deported.
Not About You April 26, 2012 03:11
LOLWUT No you can’t. Nice passed ball today. I’m sure King Felix appreciated it. You can’t even displace Miguel “.164″ Olivo as the catcher on this team. Why don’t you come back and talk shit when you learn to hit right-handed pitching.
As far as the Yanks are concerned anyway, you’re history. Good luck, have a great career, and thanks for bringing back what should amount to two quality arms.
Marshmellow man April 26, 2012 05:15
On that fielding thingy, no you can’t. And as far as hitting goes the jury’s still out.
Pineda's shoulder April 25, 2012 18:46
Whatever man. Give me my Yankee checks!
I am going to get some of the finest poon-tang money can buy. Suck it.
Pineda's Brain April 26, 2012 00:53
Yeah, cause I’m making just above league minimum and won’t be able to throw a full season before my first year of arbitration. That’s right- I planned it this way.
Malcolm April 26, 2012 05:17
Yeah and show up to ST next year 40 pounds overweight. Fucking tub of goo.
CC Sabathia April 26, 2012 15:40
Yeah! Overweight pitchers never pan out!
Bartolo Colon April 26, 2012 21:07
Girl lookit that body. I strike out!
R2-D2 April 25, 2012 18:46
Such an unnecessary trade. Strange how Montero was traded because his defense was so bad yet Nunez is allowed to flop around the field like his hands have arthritis. Your telling me that Montero couldn’t get 2 days a week behind the plate to improve and the rest of the week get DH ABs with the obvious same production as Ibanez with possible high upside? Fuck Cashman
Pineda's shoulder April 25, 2012 18:52
Don’t hate. Cashman wanted a pitcher, and I was the best shoulder Montero could buy.
Girardi April 25, 2012 19:11
It’s been brought up here before. And yes, I am a catcher Nazi.
Elite defender or GTFO!
The Binder April 26, 2012 12:11
Oh shut up… Your job is to worship me, not talk smack on a fan board.
Girardi April 27, 2012 15:27
there’s a whole chapter in you on catcher defense.
Eduardo Núñez April 26, 2012 08:17
EY FOCK U HATER SOCK MA SALTY DOMINICANO BALLS
Revisionist History April 26, 2012 11:15
There was a reasonable expectation that Pineda was a very young, very hard throwing, top of the rotation starter. I have no issue with shipping out a very good hitter who probably can’t catch for a guy like that. Especially when you have a number of aging players that will require significant DH time in the coming years.
He got hurt. It’s now a really bad trade. But he passed his physical, and I’d make that deal again for a pitcher who’s that young and has proven he can dominate.
Pineda's shoulder April 25, 2012 18:55
They wanted me to call Bartolo’s or A-Rod’s doctor. Skip that, I’m going to collect some Yankee checks first. I’ll get it the year I become a free agent. Hahaha!!!
Pay dat man his money!
Curved Slightly April 25, 2012 18:59
First: I’m going to remind everyone that I was right from comments about a month ago. I’ll be accepting apologies on here all week.
Second: This offseason there were two young, consistent and injury free pitchers available. Their names? Mat Latos and Gio Gonzalez. Montero and a few other prospects could’ve netted us one or the other. And (get this) THEY’RE ACTUALLY PITCHING THIS YEAR!!! Couple this with the fact that they could’ve had Edwin Jackson (who I was against) for just money, we could’ve had a nasty rotation.
Instead, we end up with a kid whose CAREER is in question and a 37 year old Asian. CC, Nova, Latos/Gio, EJax and Hughes >>>>>>>>>>> CC, Kuroda, Hughes, Nova, Freddy.
Let’s face it… a torn labrum is the worst injury a pitcher can have. There’s not many pitchers who come back and make any sort of impact after this kind of surgery. Let’s pencil in Pineda as a #5 at best, a reliever as the most likely scenario or even probably the most dominating starter to pitch in an independent league.
Cashman needs to answer for this. Too many years of horrible pitching acquisitions/trades, but this one really takes the cake. Thanks Brian! Awesome trade!
Pineda's shoulder April 25, 2012 19:09
Wouldn’t the worst injury for a pitcher be losing his pitching hand/arm?
And they think I’m a mess.
Jim Abbott April 26, 2012 08:25
Hey man, fuck you.
Long Time Yanks Fan April 26, 2012 12:14
I watched centerstage and you look great. Nice to see that you’re still doing great things.
Petco April 25, 2012 19:10
Have you ever looked at what Latos has done outside of me? This year, for instance.
Curved Slightly April 25, 2012 19:33
Latos also went to a major hitters park this year. I could hit 35 out of there.
MILF April 26, 2012 01:08
On the road, Latos has a 3.35 FIP and a 3.63 xFIP for his career.
R2-D2 April 25, 2012 19:14
Let us not forget the velocity loss after the break last year. Is that not least a fucking caution sign??? Stop having mistresses asshole pay the fuck attention to your job
Pineda's Velo April 25, 2012 19:49
Funny how I was a non-factor on here to everyone but Curved Slightly and R2-D2, and now it has come to be an upfront matter now that we know the cause was significantly more than a dead arm. I hope you won’t miss me being at 98 because you’ll be lucky if i hit 95 ever again. I did a disappearing act after the all-star break last season and I don’t know why you all thought I would miraculously return, perhaps because you’re all a little on the retarded side of life.
Stupid moron April 25, 2012 20:34
We are all retarded! Thanks for helping us out though!
Please impart more wisdom upon us!
Pineda's Velo April 25, 2012 20:48
it’s as easy as opening you eyes and reading some stats, not that hard
Stupid moron April 25, 2012 19:47
Oh shit! Sorry, bro. You were right and everyone else in the world was wrong. No one else thought this trade was going to end up the way it did. How the fuck did you see this coming? Tell me how your powers work.
Pineda's Velo April 25, 2012 20:45
If you would have opened up your eyes and actually looked up some of Pineda’s post all-star break stats you would have seen that he was mediocre at best. His velocity was down and his K’s/9 were also down drastically. Also why would a GM as smart as Seattle’s have given up a young stud to place behind King Felix in the rotation? Perhaps because he was hurt and now his career is in serious jeopardy. Would you mind doing yourself a favor and read about pitchers who have had labrum injuries? or are you just some egotistical moron who likes to disagree even when presented with facts?
Steaming Pile of Cowshit April 26, 2012 03:21
You’re full of me, all right.
http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/a-quick-note-on-michael-pinedas-splits/
Lower BB rate, increased GB%, consistent K%, better xFIP, and BABIP regression.
You’re a regular Cleveland Steamer. Whoo Whoo!
Curved Slightly April 25, 2012 22:53
How many times must you come back here only to be beaten around worse than Meredith Baxter-Birney in a made for TV Lifetime movie???
There are no super powers you fucking queef weasel. It’s called common fucking sense. Pineda’s second half saw a drastic drop in velocity coupled with an increase in his H/9 resulting in more runs allowed. His velocity did not return in the spring. A drop in velocity is indicative of a shoulder injury. Lack of command indicates and elbow problem.
Seriously, are you this fucking stupid in real life or do you just play a retard on the internet?
Hindsight April 26, 2012 03:14
I’m 20/20. But DERP wait, I knew because he had a bad 2nd half last year.
Bizarro Jack Zduriencik April 26, 2012 10:40
DERRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR
Lt. Martin Riggs April 25, 2012 19:00
Anorexic.
fred arena April 25, 2012 19:12
Cashman should be let go not because he has no idea how to spot pitching talent but because of these reasons:
In the last year that international signings were not capped, the Yankees spent their lowest amount in the last 10 years.
Because Cashman screwed up with Igawa he did not look hard and Yu Darvish when he was a guy that had been on the screen of the top scouts for the last three years. When you have all the resources the Yankees have and don’t take a shot at a 25 year old talent and drawing card like that you are asleep.
Montero came up and had awesome right center power, was not scared, deepended our line-up, left his teammates in awe and was a young bat that we needed to build around for the next 15 years and instead he will make Jay Buhner look like Tony Womack and every Yankee fan will have to dread it everytime they look at a Seattle box score for the next 15 years. We traded the next Miguel Cabrera for a pitcher that not only was likely injured but the league caught up to the second time around and had a second half ERA of 5.03.
I could go on and on but the most important reason he should be let go is because instead of focusing on improving this team and doing his job he was having an affair with a bi-polar ulgy woman. He should not be fired because he had the affair, he should be fired because of his judgement in who he chose here.
Yankee fans deserve better than this loser who has done less with the most resources in baseball over the last 12 years than anyone could imagine.
How I wish George was alive or that we did not have a bean counter son who has no passion for winning running the team.
Jack Zduriencik April 25, 2012 19:13
Hey Brian, tell me how my ass taste?
Seattle Moroners Organization April 25, 2012 19:39
So Cashman “believes the tear occurred on the final pitch of Pineda’s extended spring training start on Saturday” ? Bitch please, we knew this was coming all along. Thanks for Montero, dumbasses!
Louise neathway April 25, 2012 21:51
How does my ass taste!
How does my ass taste? April 26, 2012 11:15
This joke is played-out as fuck.
Failure April 25, 2012 19:17
Jaret Wright, Randy Johnson, Kei Igawa, Darrell Rasner, Jeff Karstens, Phil Hughes, Joba Chamberlain, Steve Karsay, Antonio Osuna, Chris Hammond, A.J. Burnett, Jose Contreras, Felix Heredia, Carl fucking Pavano, Hideki Irabu, Gabe White, Javier Vasquez(twice), Kevin Brown, Chan Ho Park.
And now…Michael Pineda.
Freddy Garcia April 25, 2012 19:48
I can’t even bust the failure rotation?!?
Stupid moron April 25, 2012 19:49
What exactly was wrong with Jeff Karstens and Darrell Rasner? Or Chan Ho Park for that matter? That dood was fucking hilarious.
Chan Ho Park April 25, 2012 19:51
Not my fault, I no pitch well when I have uncontlollable dialea
Curved Slightly April 25, 2012 23:00
STAS MOTHERFUCKER?!?! HAVE YOU HEARD OF THEM?!?!
Stupid moron April 26, 2012 01:04
I assume you and Pineda’s Velo are the same person, so I’ll respond to both.
Rasner was claimed off waivers and barely even pitched. His main season, 2008 other shitty Starting Pitchers included Sidney Ponson, IPK, Hughes, Pavano. Rasner also had a FIP of 4.72 (not bad for someone claimed off waivers.)
Jeff Karstens was DRAFTED by the Yankees in the 19th round and pitched 57 innings in the big leagues. He was then part of a trade for Nady and Marte.
I’m not saying either player is good, but to put those 2 guys in a list of “busts” is a bit excessive considering one was drafted (late) and the other was claimed off waiver. We likely didn’t pay either anything above minimum salary, and combined they pitched 240 innings. No one expected either to be good and they weren’t. Luckily we didn’t pay them like they were.
DERRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR.
Pineda's Velo April 25, 2012 23:00
All three of the aforementioned pitchers were just like you, they couldn’t cut it in the AL East. You can’t cut it on this website never mind on the mound in a game against an AL East opponent. Get a life and while you’re at it why not stop and gather some common sense you don’t seem to possess.
Nick Johnson April 25, 2012 22:02
You forgot me! Again! I’m so mad that I pounded my fist on my keyboard. Unfortunately I think I broke my wrist in the process.
Curved Slightly April 25, 2012 23:02
Pineda failed before he even made a start in pinstripes. EPIC fail on Cashman.
Pineda's Velo April 25, 2012 23:12
the only thing Pineda didn’t fail was his physical, unfortunately for us
Stupid moron April 26, 2012 01:05
Can you stop agreeing with yourself?
Curved Slightly April 26, 2012 13:27
Different person, skidmark. I’m sure NoMaas will be happy to verify the different IP addresses and locations.
Pineda's Velo April 26, 2012 15:18
Its true we are the same. Curved is the retarded personality.
Jose Feliciano April 26, 2012 00:56
You forgot to put me on the list!
Marshmellow Man April 26, 2012 08:08
Isn’t your 1st name Pedro?
Eduardo Núñez April 26, 2012 08:21
I LOVE UR BLIND GUITAR PLEYIN MEN ME FAN
Jeff Weaver April 26, 2012 19:27
Hey man, you forgot me too! But I forgive you. Here – *passes the bong*
Master Sir April 25, 2012 19:19
You are all idiots. The trade was the right move at the time. Shit happens. Get over it and hope Phil can get a win tonight instead of playing armchair GM.
If we need a starter April 25, 2012 19:24
Why not call Roy Oswalt? His price has to be going down as each day goes by and he’s just a loaner if needed. He doesn’t cost a draft pick and to be pitching with the Yanks, a team he could actually get a ring with, maybe it would pan out.
Besides, his 54 years old shoulder is > Pineda’s 23 year old shoulder that isn’t.
Dr. James Andrews April 25, 2012 19:25
*PLUGS IN JIG SAW, PUTS ON WELDER’S MASK, GETS THE TORCH READY*
Now this won’t hurt a bit…
The Truth April 25, 2012 19:51
Glad to see that the sheep have finally awoken. Cashman needs to go for all the above mentioned reasons, but mostly other than Ivan Nova how many pitching prospects has the organization fucked up? Hinestly form listening to Fatcessa think you can just move starters to and from the bullpen to all the bullshit surrounding this organization when does this stop? to top it off we have the pussy Steinbrenner son running the team instead of the one who would do something about this shit. Hey Hal fuck you.
fred arena April 25, 2012 20:16
Don’t forget, Cashman left Nova exposed in the rule 5 draft also and San Diego picked him up and then fortunetly gave him back
Phil Leotardo April 25, 2012 20:03
Well, now they’re gonna have to throw their dumb little budget aside and buy Cole Hamels this winter. Suck it up, Hal.
Cole Hamels April 25, 2012 20:26
I’m going to the Padres and shock the world.
Hole Camels April 26, 2012 19:33
Allow me to introduce myself, I am Cole Hamels’ Sir Randolph Johnstone doppelganger. Sign me and I will be taking over.
Trite But Pertinent April 25, 2012 20:07
You can never have enough pitching.
Jesus Montero April 25, 2012 20:33
Do labrums have lumps?
Jack Zduriencik April 25, 2012 20:44
You forgot I was the head of minor league operations for the Mets when they had Pulsipher, Wilson & Isringhausen. I’ve learned a few things about pitchers blowing their arms out. I had nearly two decades in scouting and player development before the boy wonder intern got his gig in the Bronx. Pay me vast sums of money and I’ll be your GM, but only if you shit can Randy Levine.
Bizarro Jack Zduriencik April 26, 2012 01:08
Which is why I traded King Felix when I was first hired!
Pineda's shoulder April 25, 2012 20:53
I was being held together by duct tape when Cashman traded for me. He was too stupid to look under the hood!
I’ll just smoke two joints before I smoke two joints before I cash my Yankee checks. Hahahaha!
Zach Z. April 25, 2012 20:59
I screwed you Yankees over on Montero twice! Bahahaha
Pineda's shoulder April 25, 2012 21:14
Could be worse. I could be pitching like Phil “Turd” Hughes. Not pitching is better than pitching like that loser.
Brian Cashman April 25, 2012 21:56
Vicious bitch.
Pedro Feliciano April 25, 2012 21:56
How soon you have forgotten about me.
2 years in a row for cashmoron
NY Mets April 25, 2012 22:04
Feel free to thank us for your NYY-related success!
Insult to Injury April 25, 2012 22:03
And to think… Cash Money at one point turned down a trade for Felix Hernandez, involving Montero. I apologize for bringing that up, actually.
Phil Leotardo April 25, 2012 23:53
I think you just made that up.
Vito April 26, 2012 20:05
I think *you’re* the real fanoik, you guinea bastard!
Hughes April 25, 2012 22:43
Either I also need surgery, or maybe I can’t pitch at all.
Cashmoron April 25, 2012 23:06
Cashmoron ftw
Bobby Valentine April 25, 2012 23:56
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!11
Gas on a fire April 26, 2012 00:31
http://chirpstory.com/li/6781
Bob Watson April 26, 2012 01:41
If Steinbrenner is interested is cost cutting moves then paying Cashman $3 million is year is really the problem.
How does Cashman justify that salary?
It is apparent that there are no more secrets in baseball anymore.
(& the cool thing is all these advanced metrics where brought to the game by die hard fans as a hobby!!.)
so we have to really examine just how lousy his information is on pitchers.
this motherfucker can’t make a good move.
In a world of suppressed offense we traded away the rarest commodity – a power bat. & the cock sucker knew Andy was coming back at the time so it really made no sense. Fuck this cashman clown. The irony is that he can’t live up to his name. He fucking plays it cheap. fuck him.
Flash Harry April 26, 2012 08:21
Everybody take a deep breath and repeat after me.
It’s only April.
It don’t signify, until after the all star break.
What would you people do if you were surrounded by thousands of rabid Zulu like me at Pipers Fort. You wouldn’t have the presence of mind to do what I did which is steal the ammunition wagon and escape, but at least those brave souls I left behind saved me by fighting on.
By the way TSJC is my bitch.
R2-D2 April 26, 2012 08:28
I woke up this morning still fucking raging over this
http://bulk.destructoid.com/ul/user/4/45667-164480-fuuuuu1jpg-620x.jpg
Jim Leyritz's Cellmate April 26, 2012 08:42
ESPN (surprisingly) sums it up well:
Yankees GM Brian Cashman also has taken Zduriencik off the hook by saying he believes the Yankees received a healthy player. After being an All-Star in the first half of last season, Pineda’s velocity and success tailed off toward the end of last year. Still, Cashman said there were no pre-trade signs of injury.
Pineda was 8-6 with a 3.03 ERA at the All-Star break. In the second half, he was 1-4 with a 5.12 ERA. In his final start of the season, he only threw 90 mph compared to 98 mph at his peak during the season.
Pineda reported to training camp about 20 pounds overweight this spring and never could find his velocity in any of his starts. The Yankees eventually put him on the disabled list. Zduriencik said Pineda will fight back.
Surgery April 26, 2012 08:43
Didn’t I tell you fuckers a few days ago that I was coming? Why is anyone surprised by this?
Bobby Valentine April 26, 2012 09:53
“If Michael Pineda can get back on the field at some point this season, the Yankees are likely to be one of the most dominant pitching teams in MLB”
Hahaha. Direct quote from a few days ago. Karma bitches.
Jim Leyritz's Cellmate April 26, 2012 10:26
This quote was a lie then just like it was a lie over spring training.
Louise Meanwell April 26, 2012 10:59
This is all my fault. If I had just given Brian some access to some backdoor lovin this wouldn’t have happened. Turns out he was so distracted by poop shoot sex that he made this awful trade. Oh well I got the use of a Yankee car out of the deal.
Mike Francesser April 26, 2012 12:45
Well dare yous have it folks. Pinader’s saw sholda much worse dan we taught. The Monterror for Pinader trade not looking too good. Back afta dis…here’s da Mink…..
Pineda April 26, 2012 13:52
This story would only get better for you if my sholda was a kid toucha.
Clay Bellinger April 26, 2012 20:34
I’m available to DH. Please, bring me back. I promise I won’t struggle with my dry contact lenses
Clay Bellinger April 26, 2012 20:39
Mr. Failure, you forgot about Nady, Marte, Feliciano, and bringing back the Proctologist!