We certainly have high hopes for him, but in terms of planning and counting on him, it’s in everybody’s interest not to do that right now and just put together as deep and strong a staff as possible and be pleasantly surprised and appreciative if we can welcome him back to the fold at some point.
After Cashman made these recent comments, he exited the Yankees’ board room:
Hindsight is 20/20, but Montero/Pineda might end up being the single-worst move of the Cashman Adminstration — at least for what decisions we know Cashman has authority over. Torn shoulder labrums can be incredibly bad news for a pitcher, and it’s quite possible that Pineda never approaches the level Cashman envisioned. When the Yankees GM says he’ll be “pleasantly surprised and appreciative if we can welcome him back to the fold at some point,” that does not sound encouraging.
If any consolation, Jesus Montero was awful with Seattle in his rookie season:
*Played in 135 games, caught in 56 of them*
His OBP was abysmal. His walk rate was terrible. His power was nowhere to be found. He swung at nearly 40% of pitches thrown outside the strike zone (League average 29%). According to WAR, you could have replaced him with a Four-A scrub, and Seattle would have been better off.
But, he’s still only 22, tore through the minor leagues, and is physically capable of participating in a professional baseball game. He also plays in the hitter’s nightmare of Safeco Field, which hosted the worst run environment in MLB for 2012.
If he learns from his poor season and makes adjustments, Cashman might actually jump out a window. For now, he’s only peering at the ground below.
36 Comments
Killer Clown November 25, 2012 17:19
You know. For kids.
Joe Páwlikowski November 27, 2012 13:11
Did someone say kids????
Whatevs November 25, 2012 17:28
Yankee DH position put up a 114 wRC+ last year. I bet they blow away Montero again. So who cares..
Jesus Christ November 25, 2012 17:30
Jesus Montero sucks!
Brian S. November 25, 2012 18:11
Pineda is stinky
NoMaas November 25, 2012 20:21
We’ve been wrong so many fucking times now it’s high time we start hedging our bets by betting on both teams to win this trade.
Sensitive RAB Guy November 25, 2012 22:09
we’re only wrong when the articles we link to are wrong
CJ November 26, 2012 09:14
Hilarious.
Robinson Tilapia November 26, 2012 02:33
Anybody want my mother-in-law for a hot night?
Ben Ka bak's Dad November 27, 2012 12:57
Time to sue?
Impeach John & Suzyn November 30, 2012 13:13
Guy’s recovering from an injury & you’re ready to write him off? You do know that Curt Schilling, Ted Lilly & Chris Carpenter all came back from torn labrums to excel, right? No Maas = hysterical. And not funny hysterical. Also, you have to already know the outcome before you can call it hindsight. Pineda, under team control for many more years, has not yet shown us what he can do. Chill the fuck out.
Captain Obvious November 25, 2012 21:27
Maybe Cashmoney should have gotten a better return for a top five prospect. For a team selling out to win every year it might have been better to get more of a stable return than a 22 yr old arm with one season of 2.1 rWAR under his belt.
alcan November 25, 2012 21:41
here is the deal… there were two other players in this deal: Hector Noesi who sucks big time and Jose Campos. Jose Campos is the kid I am looking at becoming an ACE type pitcher. As for Montero, everyone and their mother knew he would not be a catcher and reason the mariners are interested in signing a guy like Napoli and/or Martin. The poster whatevs got it right… the Yankees DG slot outperformed Montero and so they will again… that is all Montero is good for. Pineda still has a chance of proving he is a top of the rotation pitcher while Montero proved he will never be a catcher nor is it likely he will ever be a position player.
alcan November 25, 2012 21:42
DG = DH
Jesus Montero November 25, 2012 23:42
Alcan = douche bag
TSJC November 29, 2012 14:33
We are doing a punk run muthafuckas.
Elbow November 26, 2012 01:03
Jose Campos has like 50 innings in Low A and was out for most of the season with a hurt elbow.
Vin November 26, 2012 09:14
Considering the Yankees track record with young pitchers, I wouldn’t bank on Campos. Hughes was supposed to be an ace. Joba. Betances. Banuelos. All aces.
Not quite.
Sully November 26, 2012 20:13
Haw has haw! What a buncha losahs!
Jose Campos's elbow November 27, 2012 10:19
There’s my man. Don’t stop believing. I will return from the dead, and when I do, well…. I just might surrender to the grim reaper of dead arms again.
TINSTAAP
Joe Páwlikowski November 27, 2012 13:08
Forget your elbow. Hows your ass feeling? :)
Duh November 26, 2012 09:39
It’s completely negligible. Montero didn’t have a place on this team, Pineda does. He’s hurt, it happens. Look at the NFL’s history of high-draft pick quarterbacks … it’s a crapshoot, plain and simple. We took a flier and so far it hasn’t worked out, but the one thing we do know is that the piece we gave up for Pineda had no place on our team and isn’t all that special anyhow. Water under the bridge. Not worth discussing anymore. If he comes back, he comes back. If not, it’s just wasted money. It was still a good move, considering we had no use for Montero. Dude can’t catch, and 22-year-old DHs don’t bode well for the future.
Ann Romney November 26, 2012 09:46
He caught 56 games this season. If his bat can reach potential, he’ll be very valuable as a part-time catcher.
Killer Clown November 28, 2012 10:57
Yeah, that’s why the M’s have a great catching prospect and are rumored to be in on Russell Martin and every other Catcher on the market.
The Ghost of Andruw Jones November 27, 2012 10:27
Yeah, that’s right! There was no place on this team for a right handed DH! You had me all season!
Boy are you D'uh November 27, 2012 10:29
A good move? Come on. He was the number 3 prospect in all of baseball! We could have gotten more for him than a couple of dead arms.
Joe Biden November 26, 2012 21:24
I will tune in to watch this.
http://bats.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/11/24/martin-aims-to-doff-his-mask-to-play-shortstop/
Obama November 27, 2012 12:59
Everything I touch turns to crap.
Sensitive RAB Guy November 28, 2012 09:15
politics = lifetime ban
Ben Ka bak's Dad November 29, 2012 14:33
Can we sue you too?
Steve Balboni's Bastard November 27, 2012 13:14
Pineda is damaged goods. Cashman traded the #3 prospect in baseball for a bum. His best trade of the past 5 years has been for Swisher. What pitcher has he brought in here? Campos? Good luck with that. He can’t even develop a pitcher.
Reality Check November 27, 2012 17:22
Cashman brought in CC & Kuroda in the past 5 years. Just off the top of my head. Montero being the #3 prospect in baseball is laughable, although I would have loved to see him stay a Yankee.
Two years from now, Pineda will be mowing down hitters and you’ll be cheering for him.
Alternate Reality Check November 27, 2012 19:46
Two years from now Montero will still be in the big leagues and Pineda will be a bouncer at a strip club
DormantUlcer November 27, 2012 19:54
It took scouting and savvy to bring in CC and Kuroda. LOLOLOL
Pineda will never pitch a meaningful game for the Yankees. Bank on it.
Winking Cockhole November 28, 2012 11:55
You idiots do the same thing each off season. Bitch, moan, bitch, moan, bitch, moan. Witless, sarcastic remark. Bitch, moan.
Cry a river under my cock, you elliptical butt-fuckers. Tired of your senseless jabbering, you pseudo-mathematician nutsack exfoliates.
BEXY November 29, 2012 14:34
Ladies and gentlemen, Mr Mike Silva!